New York Giants Fans Hit A Nerve With Former Player In Washington Win

New York Giants, Ereck Flowers

There’s been a lot of talk about the matchup between the New York Giants and Landon Collins, and Collins even managed to get into a scuffle with the player that has been dubbed his replacement, Jabrill Peppers, but Collins wasn’t the only former Giants player to end up in a particularly bad mood after the Washington Redskins lost in Daniel Jones’ home debut. There’s another perhaps less notable player that had some things to say, in this case about Giants fans.

The player in question is Ereck Flowers, offensive lineman for the Redskins and formerly a number nine overall draft pick of the Giants. It’s safe to say that Flowers isn’t the most popular player with Giants fans after not progressing much in three years with the team, despite being taken over a number of far more productive players who have come out of the 2015 Draft class, and it also looks like both sides share a mutual dislike.

That dislike came out following the Redskins loss, when Flowers had some strong words about the crowd of Giants fans that he had just played in front of at MetLife Stadium. “Once they get back to losing, the stadium will be back empty. That’s how I feel about them,” Flowers said to NJ Advance Media.

“I don’t care for Giants fans. They feel about me how I feel about dentists. I don’t care for this place much. I would’ve loved to have come out of here with a W, but it’s all good,” Flowers continued further.

The tackle turned guard isn’t going out of his way to win back any fans with his former team, it seems. But after the Giants defeated the Redskins without giving up a touchdown to them, it’s quite easy for Giants fans to simply brush this off as what it might just be – salt from a player who just managed to lose big to his old team.

New York Giants: Ereck Flowers A “Valued Member” Of Redskins Offensive Line

By the time Ereck Flowers made the switch to the Washington Redskins, most fans were happy to see the highly drafted right tackle go.  Despite being taken with the ninth overall pick, Flowers had years to work with and never developed all that much beyond his rookie year, and his play consistently made him one of the worst starting linemen not just on the Giants team but in the league.

The Giants supposedly never found a trade partner for Flowers, or rejected offers, and the player ended up moving to the rival Washington Redskins this offseason – after a stop in Jacksonville during 2018 which didn’t work out, following his release from the Giants.

How is Flowers doing with his new team, which has been playing him in a different role rather than keeping him at the right tackle spot that he failed in with the Giants? Apparently, Flowers is at the very least, doing better than he was while in New York.

“We played him primarily at tackle. He did get some reps at guard, but we felt like we had other players there. I think he’s playing hard. I think he’s playing pretty well. He’s kind of a valued member of their offensive line,” Giants head coach Pat Shurmur said during the buildup to Sunday’s clash with the Redskins.

“Some guys can do it. A lot of it has to do with your body type and your skillset. He’s a big, physical guy. In close quarters, he does a good job of getting his hands on you. That helps you at guard. They feel like he’s the best at that spot for them, and like I said, I think he’s playing pretty well,” Shurmur added.

There’s two different ways to read things – either the Giants offensive line staff was incompetent for years, unable to get any serious production out of Flowers despite working for him much longer than Washington has had him, or the Redskins offensive line is simply not very good, leading to a player like Flowers becoming a valuable starter.

Either way, the matchup on Sunday between Flowers and the Giants defensive line will almost certainly be overshadowed by a larger one, the battle between Landon Collins and the Giants team in general.

Still, the fact that Flowers was drafted number nine overall and is now on the Redskins with the Giants having gotten nothing for his release last year is just another reminder of just how many failed moves the front office attempted to make under the previous regime, helping to put the Giants in the poor position that they’re in right now in 2019.

New York Giants: Did Dave Gettleman Butcher The Ereck Flowers Situation?

Ereck Flowers is not a name that will bring back good memories for fans of the New York Giants. Flowers is, of course, one of the team’s worst draft busts in recent memory and is sometimes brought up as an example of the bad drafting and offseason moves that led to the end of the Reese regime and the rise of Dave Gettleman as General Manager.

After being taken with the ninth overall pick, Flowers never developed into a top ten talent and despite being given time to improve, only found himself drawing the ire of the fans each week with poor blocking and no improvement in sight. It could even be said that Flowers’ play had an impact in the Giants prioritizing the offensive line as a spot to improve over the last couple of offseasons.

But could the Giants have gotten something from this player rather than letting him walk away for nothing, which is what ended up happening as the team released Flowers last October? According to what Flowers told NJ Advance Media, that might be the case.

“I had actually been asking him [for clarity]. That was part of the reason why I didn’t go to [voluntary workouts in 2018]. I was looking for a fresh start. He had [trade] offers for me, and he didn’t want to take them. So he made me stay there, until finally I had a chance to go. I was mad about it, but it’s OK. I’m over it,” said Flowers.

The 2018 season was, of course, not a good one for Flowers – and his performances that season weren’t enough to attract trade offers. Rather, it seems that by the time the Giants did try trading Flowers, his trade stock had crashed completely and the team was forced to let him go for nothing.

While there’s not much that can make up for a top ten draft pick turning out the way Flowers did, getting something back for the player would have made the situation slightly less bad – and some of the blame seems to fall on Dave Gettleman, who was the one to make the choice to keep Flowers on the team despite Flowers being widely recognized as one of the worst starting tackles in the league.

It’s not the only decision Gettleman has made during his tenure so far that will be controversial. Will things finally boil over eventually for the former Panthers GM, who despite bringing Saquon Barkley to the Giants is largely known right now for having a plan which has so far only brought the team backwards rather than forwards? We’ll see – performances this season will likely have some effect on just how long Gettleman has to right things.

But regardless, as even more comes out about the 2018 offseason, it doesn’t seem like Gettleman has a track record with the Giants so far worthy of receiving benefit of the doubt.

New York Giants: How has the offensive line changed?

New York Giants, Ereck Flowers

Just two years ago the New York Giants had one of the worst offense of lines in the NFL. Composed of Ereck Flowers at left tackle, Justin Pugh at left guard, Weston Richburg at center, John Jerry at right guard, and Bobby Hart at right tackle.

Some may say general manager Dave Gettleman hasn’t done a great job piecing together the new-age Giants team that has won just eight games in the last two seasons. However, last year the team took a major step forward, finally building through the NFL draft and not relying on expensive free agents to supplement the deficiencies on the team.

A short one year later after Gettleman was brought on to overhaul the team, the offensive line now has three potential Pro Bowl Players. Nate solder At left tackle, Will Hernandez at left guard, and Kevin Zeitler at right guard. Eli Manning, veteran passer for the Giants going into his 15th season, will benefit from the overhaul Gettleman induced on the team, especially the offensive line.

Manning recorded record numbers, statistically, with Pat Shurmur in the first year of installing his offensive playbook. With an additional year of experience utilizing Shurmur’s scheme, Manning theoretically should have an improved season in 2019. The offense of line coming together with Zeitler, a top-five guard in the NFL, will allow him to operate at an efficient level.

Additionally, Solder, who played alongside Tom Brady before signing a record deal with the Giants, was forced to adapt to a different style of offense and quarterback with Eli last year. Nate was accustomed to a shorter drop back by Brady, and when he joined the Giants he needed to adjust his technique to Manning, who has a deeper drop back.

At the beginning of the season, he was pushing his assignments into Manning because he was familiar with Brady’s drop back and his ability to step up into the pocket. However, he adapted to the new style of play that was required and finished the season on a high note. After having his ankle cleaned up this off-season with a small surgery, he is 100% healthy and ready to take his game to the next level in 2019.

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At the right tackle position, Mike Remmers was signed to solidify a spot that has been weak in recent years. He has familiarity with Shermer’s offense which gives him a leg up over Chad wheeler who started in 2018. With the improvements to the offensive front, the trenches should be solidified and Manning should have more time in the pocket to operate.

Manning has developed bad habits over the past few years due to the lack of time in the pocket, but we should see some of those stresses alleviate with the additions to the line. This unit will likely be far improved and we should see the efficiency of the offense increase exponentially.

New York Giants News, 6/26 – Ereck Flowers finally helping the Giants

New York Giants, Ereck Flowers

Good Morning, New York Giants Fans!

I never thought I’d see the day that Ereck Flowers and “good” were used in the same sentence, but he’s finally going to do something good for the Giants in 2019.

Flowers, who was picked up by the Washington Redskins, will likely emerge as their starting left guard. The lack of offensive line quality across the league has left many teams scraping for value, and this is just another example. Finally, after years of watching the human turnstile give Eli Manning a heart-attack every play, we will get to enjoy him do the same for another team.

Playing Washington twice per year is a blessing for the Giants, as their lack of defensive line strength will have the pleasure of dominating a first-round pick that would likely go in the 7th round today.

To add to the positivity, John Jerry, former Giants right guard, will likely be the starter for the Cincinnati Bengals at the position. After Jonah Williams suffered a torn labrum on Tuesday, Jerry became the automatic next man up. Ahh, yet another ex-Giants turnstile that we can enjoy fail on another team.

Did I mention the Bengals are paying Bobby Hart an average of $5.3 million per season to play right tackle? Paying Nate Solder $15.5 million per year doesn’t seem too bad right about now, or bringing on Kevin Zeitler. Having a good offensive line is a rarity in today’s NFL, and the Giants could have one of the best in 2019.


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New York Giants: Ereck Flowers Could Face Former Team In Washington

The two games this year between the Washington Redskins and the New York Giants are going to be interesting ones. The teams already have a historic rivalry but that rivalry was added to recently by multiple former Giants players – of varying levels of popularity – making the switch to the Redskins. The most notable, of course, would be Landon Collins, who left the Giants as a free agent to take a much larger deal in Washington. However, Collins isn’t the only one to make the jump.

Ereck Flowers was much maligned at the right tackle for the Giants for three years, and last season, departed the team for the Jacksonville Jaguars after his release. His performances were poor enough for the Giants to completely pull the plug on him despite spending the ninth overall pick to get Flowers in the first place.

Now it looks like Flowers could meet his former team on the field after moving from the Jaguars to the Redskins, leaving the former as a free agent and signing a one year contract with the latter. It seems like a strange move for Washington to sign a highly criticized player such as Flowers to protect their rookie quarterback, but it’s one that might benefit the Giants, if Flowers does start.

And so far, Flowers is surprisingly set to open training camp with Washington as starter.

“He’s long, he’s square, obviously he can play in the short area so those are things we kind of identified during free agency that we liked and we are trying to fit him into that mode. So it’s been a work in progress, we got a long ways to go yet, but he’s made a nice transition,” Washington assistant head coach Bill Callahan stated.

It seems Flowers may be improving, but some positive things were said about Flowers before last season and it didn’t help much when it came time to perform on the field. The matchup between Flowers and the Giants, however, has some interesting aspects to it. If Flowers starts and performs well this season, it may look bad on the Giants coaching staff that failed to get even average performances from the player.

Between Landon Collins and his statements, the Giants passing on Redskins quarterback Dwayne Haskins Jr., and Ereck Flowers ending up in the starting lineup at this point for Washington, the rivalry between these teams might just be interesting again. One can only hope the Giants are the one that comes out on top this season, in their two meetings.

New York Giants: How The Upgraded Offensive Line Will Help Daniel Jones

The New York Giants‘ offense has been rebuilt over the past two seasons. Dave Gettleman came in last year and vowed to rebuild the offensive line. That is exactly what he has done.

The Giants offensive line was one of the league’s worst for years. But now, in 2019, things are starting to take shape. New York signed left tackle Nate Solder to a record-breaking contract last offseason, then drafted guard Will Hernandez. In 2019, the Giants traded for Kevin Zeilter, one of the best pass-protectors in the NFL, and upgraded the right tackle position.

What is a great offensive line without some offensive playmakers? The Giants went ahead and made big splashes on offense in the 1st-round of the 2018 and the 2019 NFL Drafts. They drafted Saquon Barkley with the 2nd overall pick in 2018. Barkley went on to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. Saquon will benefit greatly from the Giants’ upgraded offensive line in 2019, but he is not the only one.

The Giants’ 1st-round splash in the 2019 NFL Draft was quarterback Daniel Jones. Big Blue took the controversial quarterback prospect with the 6th overall pick. The Giants have exhibited how quarterbacks struggle behind weak offensive lines for years now, which is why Daniel Jones will benefit greatly from the upgraded offensive line.

How Rookie Quarterbacks Play Behind Poor Offensive Lines:

Daniel Jones dodged a bullet in the 2019 NFL Draft. He could have ended up in Washington with Ereck Flowers as his starting left tackle. He is also lucky to be joining Big Blue in 2019 and not 2018. Dodge the Flowers bullet twice.

The Giants cut Ereck Flowers in 2018 after years of poor play. Daniel Jones is lucky he does not have to play behind a poor offensive line as a rookie. Here is how other young quarterbacks have fared behind poor offensive lines:

In 2018, the Arizona Cardinals had the worst offensive line in the league. Unfortunately, they also had a new 1st-round quarterback starting with Josh Rosen.

The once-promising prospect never found a groove behind the league’s worst line. Josh Rosen threw only 11 touchdown passes with 14 interceptions in 14 games, and was then traded the following offseason.

Jared Goff is a perfect example of how an offensive line can affect a young quarterback’s confidence and performance. Goff played in 7 games in his 2016 rookie campaign and only threw 5 touchdowns with 7 interceptions.

The following season, the Rams signed All-Pro tackle Andrew Whitworth, rebuilt their offensive line and coaching staff, and saw Jared Goff blossom.

In 2017, Jared Goff became one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL. His touchdown total soared up to 28 touchdown passes, and his interception number stayed stagnant at 7 despite playing in 15 games.

Jared Goff and Josh Rosen serve as perfect examples of how an offensive line affects a young quarterback’s play. Daniel Jones will step into an offense that features the NFL’s best pass-blocking guard in Kevin Zeitler, which will help him tremendously.

Daniel Jones will benefit from Nate Solder’s reliability on his blindside. The veteran leadership provided by Solder, Zeitler, and Remmers will also keep the line consistent for Jones. Up-and-coming left guard Will Hernandez will also play a big part in keeping Daniel’s confidence high.

The New York Giants have perfectly reconstructed their offensive line to better themselves for the future. The future franchise quarterback was drafted with perfect timing. Daniel Jones will step into an offense full of exciting playmakers (such as Saquon Barkley and Evan Engram) and a solid offensive line.

New York Giants: Options At Weak Right Tackle Position In The 2019 Offseason

The New York Giants have holes throughout their roster. They have depth and talent at some positions, such as running back and tight end. But at other positions, they lack talent and depth. One of the Giants’ weakest positions is the right tackle position. This is a position the team will need to upgrade this offseason in order to see their offense grow in 2019.

Current Giants:

The Giants’ current starting right tackle is the second-year player out of USC, Chad Wheeler. To start the 2018 season, the Giants had Ereck Flowers starting at right tackle. After constant poor play by Flowers, Wheeler took over the starting job.

Unfortunately for the Giants, Wheeler has not been a huge improvement over Flowers. Anything is an improvement over Flowers, but the Giants were hoping to get more of an upgrade at the position when they put Wheeler in. Chad Wheeler finished the 2018 season with a below average 47.1 grade on Pro Football Focus, ranking 80th in the NFL.

Despite his low season grade in 2018, the Giants could move forward with Wheeler as their starter. Though many Giants fans may disagree with that course of action, the Giants could go through with it because of Wheeler’s age. He is only 24 years old and has plenty of time to develop. As general manager Dave Gettleman has stated before, he does not quit on talent.

If Gettleman does decide to move on from Wheeler, he has a few options to choose from in the 2019 offseason.

Free Agents:

The Giants’ main target in free agency should be Carolina Pathers’ right tackle Daryl Williams. Williams is slated to become a free agent this offseason after suffering an injury and missing the 2018 season. Since Daryl is coming off of an injury, his price tag should be reduced. At 27 years old, Williams would be a great piece of the future for the Giants if they manage to sign him. Williams had a 78.0 Pro Football Focus grade in 2017, third best in the league.

Many fans and reporters alike have speculated that the Giants will be interested in Daryl Williams due to Dave Gettleman’s connection with him. Gettleman was the general manager of the Panthers when Williams was drafted. Since Williams is one of his former draftees, it would make sense if Gettleman wanted to go after him in free agency.

Daryl Williams will likely have a competitive market, so it is no guarantee that the Giants will be able to sign him. If they are unable to sign Williams, there will be other tackles available in free agency.

Ja’Wuan James is another right tackle who will have a competitive market this offseason. James had a 70.7 Pro Football Focus grade in 2018 and was a great player for the Miami Dolphins. James is also only 27 years old, so he too could be a player for the Giants to build around. If the Giants strike out on Williams, James is their next best option.

The Giants could consider a few veterans to start for a year or two if they are unable to secure any younger options. Veteran options include Jared Veldheer, Austin Howard, and Andre Smith.

NFL Draft:

If the Giants are unable to sign a right tackle in free agency, they could look to draft one. Drafting a right tackle would mean having one to be around for the future, rather than overpaying on a veteran for a year or two.

Jawaan Taylor, right tackle out of the University of Florida, will likely be the top right tackle taken in the 2019 draft. He is projected to be a mid-first round draft pick. It is unlikely the Giants select Taylor as they will be picking too high to take him, with more talented players on the board. Expect the Giants to focus on right tackle in the middle rounds of the draft. In rounds 2-4, players such as Dalton Risner, David Edwards, and Andre Dilllard will be options for the Giants.

Dalton Risner is a good run blocker out of Kansas State. He checks in at 6-foot-4, 297 pounds. He began his career as a center in college, but he moved outside after a performing past expectations. Risner is projected to go in rounds 2-3.

David Edwards, the 6’7″, 315 lbs, massive lineman out of Wisconsin is also projected to go in rounds 2-3. Edwards was an exceptional player in 2017, but struggled heavily in 2018. He is a stout run blocker, but will need to improve his pass protection at the professional level.

Andre Dillard is a senior out of Washington State. He weighs in at 300 pounds and stands tall at 6′ 5″. Dillard is an athletic tackle who has the ability to slow down edge rushers. This will be a useful trait at the pro level. However, he is not the strongest lineman and will need to gain some strength to succeed at the next level.

New York Giants: That Ereck Flowers Play Is Worse Than You Think

Imagine this. The New York Giants come out for what should be a fairly routine drive against the Jacksonville Jaguars. They’re in a heavy formation that should have good pass protection, and Eli Manning drops back to look for a target downfield.

Odell Beckham Jr. is losing his defender and getting open with a slant route on the weak side of the formation, but Manning is pressured by a pass rusher coming from the edge of the formation and has to throw the ball high. When Beckham goes up to catch the ball, he’s hit by a Jaguars linebacker before he can get set and start running. He has to leave the game with an injury, before even playing a full quarter of regular season football this season.

Fortunately, that’s not what happened. Beckham caught the ball without problem, even though it did end up over his head and forced him to jump for it. The rest of the play, though, was very real and the Giants were penalized seven yards for it. The reason? After being completely beat on the right side of the line, Ereck Flowers resorted to going for a trip that had absolutely no subtlety and would be nearly impossible to sneak past the referee.

The Giants paid the price and would replay first down with 17 yards to go. The gain from the pass? Eliminated because of the penalty. Not only that, but the play could have been worse. The Beckham injury is only a hypothetical scenario, but it shows how much a team’s blocking can affect the game. The high throw was a direct consequence of Flowers being beat so quickly and easily. If something bad happens because of a rushed throw, the blocking is partly to blame.

Oh, and if you maybe thought that Flowers would bounce back later in the drive, it didn’t happen. A couple of plays later, Manning managed to make up for the loss of yards by throwing deep to Evan Engram in what should have been a highlight reel play. Instead, it didn’t count for anything because Flowers once again went to an illegal technique and held his opponent to allow Manning to roll out.

Instead of a first down, the Giants were faced with a 2nd and 20. Maybe second string tackle Chad Wheeler isn’t the perfect player. He did lose in the battle for the starting job at right tackle after all, meaning the coaches saw something in Flowers that they didn’t see in him. But that was before the actual games were played.

The Giants might find it worth it to look into playing time for Wheeler. He might not be a good right tackle, compared to others in the NFL. He might hardly manage to be an average right tackle. But at the moment, the Giants don’t need good. They just need someone who isn’t a risk to take yards away from the team with bad penalties and endanger the health of the skill position players with criminally bad blocking.

Giants’ Ereck Flowers Speaks About His Dismal Week 1 Performance

New York Giants, Ereck Flowers

If you’ve seen the New York Giants play a game in the past three years, you’ve also likely witnessed the extreme talents of tackle Ereck Flowers. The Giants’ first-round draft pick back in 2015 has managed to stick with the team despite being a human turnstile on Eli Manning’s blind side, and now, he’s on the right side of the line.

In week 1 of the regular season, Flowers reverted back to his normal self – the epitome of a bust. If you aren’t sold on his inadequacies yet, just wait for this. On the very first play of the game against the Jaguars, Flowers was beat so bad that he attempted to trip his assignment. Tack on a 15 yard penalty for tripping and the Giants are once again in a hole.

What came after the New York Giants’ loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars?

After the disastrous performance, the entire offensive line spent time fielding questions and facing their issues. Flowers, did not. He ran away from the criticism. Same old Mr. Tulip…

“I don’t really care what a lot of people have to say about this and that,” Flowers said to Giants reporters on Monday. “I care about what my coach says and the people next to me and that’s all I really care about. If he feels like I’m wrong on that play then, yes, I’ll take that, okay coach you’re right. But if somebody else who’s not really in the room, doesn’t know the play, doesn’t know what we’re doing, doesn’t matter to me.”

Great, Flowers is capable of agreeing with his coach, now why is it that he can’t learn from him? Why’s it that Flowers has managed zero developmental success after “years” of bad play? It makes no logical sense.

“He’s like every player. I think I know where you’re going with this, he’s like every player,” Shurmur said. “He had a lot of really good plays and he had a couple that he’d like to have back.

A couple of snaps that he’d like to have back? He committed two penalties within the first three plays of the game! There’s no having plays back in the NFL…you have a job to do, so do it!

“He had the tripping penalty and then on the hold, and that happens frequently, the quarterback scrambled, which was good, and unfortunately there’s times when those holds occur. That was the gist of it the first drive.”

Kudos to Shurmur for having Flowers’ back after Sunday. Any professional will tell you that the four-year veteran has fundamental issues beyond belief, and shifting to right tackle isn’t going to magically fix them. The only benefit will be that Eli can see the 270 pound monster defensive end running straight for him.

Flowers finished the loss with 7 total pressures allowed (5 hurries, 1 QB hit, and 1 sack). This was the third-most pressures out of any starting tackle in week 1, according to PFF. The worst part is, Flowers has no competition behind him. The only alternative option is Chad Wheeler, and Shurmur seems very reluctant to hand him a starting gig. How terrifying is that?